There is a spot on the sand that opened up and looks like it wants to float away. Get a BRS 1.1 ml/min (or similar) dosing pump. The Reef. It is recommended to drip vinegar during daylight hours when pH is at its highest. Dripping vinegar over longer periods of time is another fine method which slowly adds vinegar to tank water without increasing the pH by much. I found it! Currently, I am dosing 15 ml of white vinegar (5% acetic acid) everyday. From yesterday evening, it is realized that the tank looks … I dosed 1ml of vinegar today. Keep in mind bacterial growth has to occur somewhere within your tank where it can be removed. I use this to dose vinegar and water, it drips all day. The ratio can vary tremendously, but the point is that one should expect a lot of nitrate reduction for each unit of phosphate reduction, even if cellular growth is the only process taking place.. For these reasons, if your phosphate is high and nitrate is low, then you should use another method like GFO to reduce phosphate back in line with the ratio above. I am currently mixing 30ml of distilled vinegar with 2 tsp of kalk in a 2 1/2 gal container.Several months ago, I was also dosing Voka at 1ml per day on my 60g reef tank with SPS dominated. Genetics subsequently modified the vodka dosing regimen for vinegar using the guidelines in link above creating the chart below. It is the skimming out of bacteria or consumption of them by higher organisms that reduces phosphate. Such blooms are really only a problem from the aesthetic standpoint (and possible O2 reduction). My turbo snails are all over that area along with some red reef crabs it looks like the cyano is subsiding from my rockwork. This sounds like a strange concept–and it is–but it works. There’s no possibility of burning by the heater, but you might try spreading the dose out in time each day. Cyanobacteria produce PHA to store energy when needed. Bacteria do utilize the dissolved and suspended organics in the water column, thus reducing the content to at least simpler forms. A few things to note: - You will need a dosing pump. The suspended bacterial might actually be good food for many of our tank organisms, and many people seem to believe that their tank populations of sponges increase when dosing organic carbon. May 20, 2017 - This Pin was discovered by Corey Page. I just read a thread where a guy talked about dosing a kalk/vinegar mix. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. ALK is at 9 and all other paras are at par.Colors are just ok.Well not that great. If that happens, a dose reduction is recommended. Nano Reefs Pico Reefs Large Reefs More . A friend gave me a 45L or 11g acrylic bow front nano tank with a rear sump. I slowed it down until I wasn't really adding much and have now stopped carbon dosing completely. - A little bit of background. Keep in mind that when one adds vinegar to kalk water it will increase the alkalinity and calcium output when one adds more than two teaspoons (saturation point of kalk water) to 1 gallon of RODI water. Due to some snails dying and lying undiscovered my nitrate level was well over 50, up from its normal level of 5-15. Scientific research has found that cyanobacterial growth does not increase when dosing vinegar (acetate), where it was found that ethanol dosing will increase cyanobacterial growth. Vinegar Dosing: Here Goes Nothing! OH- + CO 2 à ... Dosing limewater mixed with vinegar. Therefore this is a good method to add vinegar when one is dosing kalk water to offset any reducing effect that vinegar may have. The Reef. Why, because bacteria utilize omuch more nitrate than phosphate to grow and multiply. This resulted in poo-brown corals and a massive nuisance algae bloom. Is this common practice? (Thread). For example, dosing very slowly with a dosing pump just upstream from a large rock filled refugium may encourage growth there, where slow dosing the the display, or once daily bolus dosing anywhere might deliver the vinegar through the whole system and encourage visible growth in the display. Been dosing 15-20ml artificial vinegar daily or once every 2day sometimes for 1month in my 350l nett tank , no problem at all. When they dropped initially my leathers went into full pissed off mode and gave me the finger by not opening up. Adding sodium silicate to other dosing liquids? Again, it is best to dose in the early morning and before lights go out. They also custom built a stand for the tank aswell very fortunate for me! Gallery. The different sources have different levels. It has a lot of useful information about vinegar dosing. I do notice that my pH climes up higher than Id like it to be after about a week of dosing kalk and then I dose a little vinegar to bring it back down. First week of dosing (2ppm daily for 55L tank) - my SPS seemed to enjoy the decrease in nutrient levels and fast growth observed. Reef Discussion. The tank is 65 gal reef tank. For detailed Vodka dosing instructions, I would refer you to the below link. One of the most versatile weapons in your saltwater aquarium arsenal is vinegar. These process further reduce nitrate beyond their ordinary needs for nitrogen. This too is another form of dosing which is also backed by a lot of long term studies and reported firsthand experience. I used the above schedule to increase it to those levels. The denitrification process described above is another reason why the process may be imbalanced toward more nitrate reduction than phosphate reduction. Sugar is even more potent then that. I followed the chart on: Reefkeeping Magazine - Vinegar Dosing Methodology for the Marine Aquarium Though I can't say this is the best way to gauge how much vinegar to add, or when to stop, I mainly looked at my skimmer. The ratio is about 8 times more carbon in 80 proof (40% by weight) vodka than vinegar (which is usually 5% organic by weight). Now that I have nitrate where I want it, my maintenance does is only 15ml a day for the 100g volume I have. Vinegar dosing and cyano. Reef Forums. It has started to seperate and become flowy. Started dosing vinegar 4 days ago, up to 4ml, adding .5ml every other day until I reach 10ml, then a holding pattern until the new upflow filtre seeds and starts doing its thing, stay tuned for more crazyness from us, lol. Thanks Zack. The added vinegar is encouraging bacterial growth. Increasing bacterial populations in tank water can rob oxygen from the tank water, so dosing the vinegar during daylight hours when oxygen is at its highest is best. Recommended vodka dosage is 0.1ml per 10g and vinegar is 8x that so 0.8ml. If this is not available where you live, use 98% food grade glacial acetate and dilute it down to 5%. Carbon dosing has been very effective at getting it where I want. The table below can be found in a more printer friendly version here. If you feel your reef is not growing then you will need to buy various tests until you find what parameters are … Oxygen might be depleting shortly after adding it, and there may be other effects. In my experience, I started with using 15mL vinegar per 100 gallons of water volume and had no problems. For a conservative method one may use the same guidelines for dosing ethanol in the article below, except use 8 (eight) times as much vinegar as ethanol for the 40% ethanol directions: By Nathaniel A. Walton (Genetics) and Matt Bjornson (Stony_Corals), http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2008-08/nftt/index.php. Running GAC will help reduce the dissolved organics and toxins produced by bacteria. What is the theory for nitrate & phosphate reduction using vinegar? Bacterial growth and reproduction in a reef aquarium seem to be limited by the amount of available carbon. Sent from my GT-N7105 using Tapatalk Follow all labeled precautions when using glacial acetate since it can be hazardous. Vinegar does have a reducing effect on tank pH for shorter periods of time. Tank Journal Archive ... Vinegar dosing going along swimmingly, bumped it up to 11ml as the nitrates stopped dropping and held at 5 so we'll add a little bit at a time. I got the cyano under control doing 5 gal water changes every week for two months. However, many hobbyists just use the Vodka dosing instructions for Vinegar dosing with great success by multipling the vodka dosing amount by 8. Fortunately, when limewater is used in a reef aquarium, it quickly combines with atmospheric and dissolved carbon dioxide and bicarbonate to form bicarbonate and carbonate: 4. Let it add the vinegar a few ml at a time throughout the day. When dripping vinegar it is best to not dilute it too much or store the diluted vinegar too long since diluted vinegar can be broken down by bacteria in the dispensing vessel reducing the amount of carbon dosed. I have estimated my water volume to be about 90g and have rounded up to 100g. All-In-One Tanks Pico Reef Discussion Large Reef Discussion Marketplace Sponsor Forums Miscellaneous More . Aug 25, 2015 #1 Vinegar Dosing. These bacteria may be wholly invisible to you when they grow hidden on rocks in refugia or on GAC, but they may also show up as blooms in the water colun or as a visible mat in the aquarium. I think when I dosed 2 yrs ago, my NO3 wasn't as bad as my test kit was reading (have since switched to Salifert kit) and started with too much dosage which lowered NO3 rapidly causing loss of birds nest w no algae on glass for some time. Tank Journal Archive ReeferRob Solidarité ... Bel Air. Reefkeeping Magazine™ Reef Central, LLC - Copyright © 2002 - 2015 - All rights reserved. Sep 18, 2017 #1 Dosing Vinegar. Discover (and save!) Pick a spot as far away from the return pump as possible. The acetate in vinegar can be taken up by many higher organisms, including the zoox in corals and anemones. In previous articles, we have talked about the plus sides to dosing carbon sources like vodka and vinegar in our reef tanks, but is there a more elusive and dangerous down side we need to look out for? Dosing vinegar is similar to dosing ethanol except that vodka has more carbon in it than vinegar. The bacteria may also be a good food source for many organisms, including sponges, effectively taking nitrate from the water and incorporating it into the large organisms in the aquarium. Bacteria will produce toxins and release them into the water column as well. I have not seen many posts that claim vinegar helped with color changes. Let me share some of the benefits of vodka dosing in a reef aquarium … Proper vinegar dosing will decrease nitrate levels by increasing bacterial populations, which are then skimmed out removing the nitrate within their cells. Advertise today. 94062 (San Francisco Bay Area). It wasn't too bad, it was about 7-10ppm. I'm looking to possibly carbon dose but had bad experience 2 yrs ago when I tried vinegar. Many folks may need to ultimately use an additional phosphate export method, such as GFO, even if the levels start out balanced because organic carbon addition can be imbalanced to more nitrate reduction for the reasons stated above. So I have not yet started dosing vinegar. That all seems fine and I don’t see a reason for a problem. DIY All-For-Reef Recipe from Tropic Marin! When vinegar is dosed in smaller amounts it is possible to add it in one or two doses per day manually. Vinegar promotes such processes in bacterial biofilms (masses) and other low oxygen areas. It is mostly softies and LPS. Yeah, 7-10 is pretty good level. Vinegar Dosing. JavaScript is disabled. I don’t think I’ll be getting a doser any time soon for this, need to save my outlets. I increased weekly by 15mL vinegar per 100 gallons up to 45mL per 100 gallons. The ratio bacteria utilize for ordinary growth, and the ratio that likely comes in with many foods is very roughly around 16 parts of nitrate per 1 part of phosphate, which is based on the percentage of nitrogen and phosphorus present in the basic biochemicals that make up all living cells. Before dosing, my NO3 is around 40ppm, did not test PO4. If you have another dosing pump,the rate can easily be amended and the dose changed. Let me first start with the different types of carbon typically used in reef aquaria. Start low dose and slowly ramp up sure no problem. by Justin Hester. PHA is an ingredient in some biopellets. Therefore a good skimmer will help remove more of the free floating bacteria into the aquarium. So cyanobacteria can utilize some if not all of the biopellets. Hey all first time nano have had other FOWLER and reef tanks usually on the larger side of life. potatocouch Member. These bacteria can use nitrate as a source of “oxygen” to metabolize the added organic, producing N2 gas. Watch for bacterial blooms in the tank water. I dosed a similar schedule but much more. You are using an out of date browser. Bio pellet nitrate reactor - slime build up. This was my experience as well. I’ll try and mix the vinegar a little better in the water when I dose and see what I can do. It contains a vinegar dosing schedule. I could use @Randy Holmes-Farley insight on this as I’ve followed his system for carbon dosing. Vinegar,vodka dosing very quite proven already , no need scare. As the tank matured, I didn't need the carbon dose as much. Methods of Dosing Vinegar: Adding vinegar to kalk water will still have a high pH increasing effect on tank water. If bacterial growth on glass becomes a problem, reduce the amount of vinegar you dose. When and how you dose may also impact where they grow. Question about vinegar dosing and nitrates not going down, Do I need to dose a carbon source to have a successful reef tank. I know I said I would, but something weird is happening. Vinegar dosing like other carbon source dosing will reduce phosphate, however it is a very slow process compared to nitrate reduction. Just would like to share my bad experience with vinegar dosing with my SPS tank. I’ve been carbon dosing via vinegar to my 90g volume tank for the last month slowly working up to 30ml per day. Proper vinegar dosing will decrease nitrate levels by increasing bacterial populations, which are then skimmed out removing the nitrate within their cells. Man I wonder what my ph does when I pour 3/4 of a glass of vinegar in my 100 gallon in a few dumps throughout a few hours of the day! I used an oil pencil and made measured marks on my skimmer cup. The added organic matter can also be used by bacteria growing in low oxygen regions. The bacterial growth appears whitish compared to green algal growth. I recall from one of your posts about maintaining NO3-PO4 ratio of 4-5x which I'm interested in emulating, so what NO3 & PO4 levels are you striving to maintain with the carbon dosing? The Reef. Vinegar does have a reducing effect on tank pH for shorter periods of time. Adding vinegar to kalk water will still have a high pH increasing effect on tank water. I dosed NoPox in the past and great result. I house eight fish in my 75 gallon tank and feed Second week - decided to up the dosage to 4ppm daily, all SPS seemed to do fine. In my experience, I find bacterial growth replaces algal growth on the tank glass. I did this in my 90 for almost two years to ward off some of the "uglies" when it was new and to promote a little diversity. Perhaps dosing higher vinegar amounts if necessary will work as well. Once nitrate and phosphate are reduced to an undetectable reading (zero) using hobby grade tests kits, I find that watching the green algae growth on tank glass is a good indicator as to when you have reached a desirable level. Potential down side to dosing vodka,vinegar and amino acids in a reef tank? For a 400L tank, based on NoPox instructions and Vinegar dosing table, the ratio would be: 12ml of NoPox equals to 66ml of Vinegar. According to Randy Holmes Vodka seems to cause more cyano issues when dosing compared to vinegar. Contact us today to start your advertisement! You have vodka, vinegar, sugar, vitamin C, nopox, and bio pellets. Randy has noticed an increase in bacterial growth on his GAC between changes. Therefore, I would go something like 6ml NoPox + 33ml Vinegar for a few days and gradually replace it with Vinegar, at this ration, while monitoring Nitrate. If u don't mind me asking, what was ur NO3 level when u started dosing vinegar? your own Pins on Pinterest Reef Tank Discussion. You will need to watch the pH decreasing effect to make sure it is acceptable. Hobbyists who have dosed vinegar have reported less cyanobacterial problems compared to dosing biopellets & ethanol. For example if you add 3 teaspoons of kalk to 1 gallon of RODI water and also add 45mL of vinegar, it will increase your alkalinity and calcium output by around 1/3 - 1/2 more. Want to grow your business and reach a wider audience? 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vinegar dosing reef tank
There is a spot on the sand that opened up and looks like it wants to float away. Get a BRS 1.1 ml/min (or similar) dosing pump. The Reef. It is recommended to drip vinegar during daylight hours when pH is at its highest. Dripping vinegar over longer periods of time is another fine method which slowly adds vinegar to tank water without increasing the pH by much. I found it! Currently, I am dosing 15 ml of white vinegar (5% acetic acid) everyday. From yesterday evening, it is realized that the tank looks … I dosed 1ml of vinegar today. Keep in mind bacterial growth has to occur somewhere within your tank where it can be removed. I use this to dose vinegar and water, it drips all day. The ratio can vary tremendously, but the point is that one should expect a lot of nitrate reduction for each unit of phosphate reduction, even if cellular growth is the only process taking place.. For these reasons, if your phosphate is high and nitrate is low, then you should use another method like GFO to reduce phosphate back in line with the ratio above. I am currently mixing 30ml of distilled vinegar with 2 tsp of kalk in a 2 1/2 gal container.Several months ago, I was also dosing Voka at 1ml per day on my 60g reef tank with SPS dominated. Genetics subsequently modified the vodka dosing regimen for vinegar using the guidelines in link above creating the chart below. It is the skimming out of bacteria or consumption of them by higher organisms that reduces phosphate. Such blooms are really only a problem from the aesthetic standpoint (and possible O2 reduction). My turbo snails are all over that area along with some red reef crabs it looks like the cyano is subsiding from my rockwork. This sounds like a strange concept–and it is–but it works. There’s no possibility of burning by the heater, but you might try spreading the dose out in time each day. Cyanobacteria produce PHA to store energy when needed. Bacteria do utilize the dissolved and suspended organics in the water column, thus reducing the content to at least simpler forms. A few things to note: - You will need a dosing pump. The suspended bacterial might actually be good food for many of our tank organisms, and many people seem to believe that their tank populations of sponges increase when dosing organic carbon. May 20, 2017 - This Pin was discovered by Corey Page. I just read a thread where a guy talked about dosing a kalk/vinegar mix. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. ALK is at 9 and all other paras are at par.Colors are just ok.Well not that great. If that happens, a dose reduction is recommended. Nano Reefs Pico Reefs Large Reefs More . A friend gave me a 45L or 11g acrylic bow front nano tank with a rear sump. I slowed it down until I wasn't really adding much and have now stopped carbon dosing completely. - A little bit of background. Keep in mind that when one adds vinegar to kalk water it will increase the alkalinity and calcium output when one adds more than two teaspoons (saturation point of kalk water) to 1 gallon of RODI water. Due to some snails dying and lying undiscovered my nitrate level was well over 50, up from its normal level of 5-15. Scientific research has found that cyanobacterial growth does not increase when dosing vinegar (acetate), where it was found that ethanol dosing will increase cyanobacterial growth. Vinegar Dosing: Here Goes Nothing! OH- + CO 2 à ... Dosing limewater mixed with vinegar. Therefore this is a good method to add vinegar when one is dosing kalk water to offset any reducing effect that vinegar may have. The Reef. Why, because bacteria utilize omuch more nitrate than phosphate to grow and multiply. This resulted in poo-brown corals and a massive nuisance algae bloom. Is this common practice? (Thread). For example, dosing very slowly with a dosing pump just upstream from a large rock filled refugium may encourage growth there, where slow dosing the the display, or once daily bolus dosing anywhere might deliver the vinegar through the whole system and encourage visible growth in the display. Been dosing 15-20ml artificial vinegar daily or once every 2day sometimes for 1month in my 350l nett tank , no problem at all. When they dropped initially my leathers went into full pissed off mode and gave me the finger by not opening up. Adding sodium silicate to other dosing liquids? Again, it is best to dose in the early morning and before lights go out. They also custom built a stand for the tank aswell very fortunate for me! Gallery. The different sources have different levels. It has a lot of useful information about vinegar dosing. I do notice that my pH climes up higher than Id like it to be after about a week of dosing kalk and then I dose a little vinegar to bring it back down. First week of dosing (2ppm daily for 55L tank) - my SPS seemed to enjoy the decrease in nutrient levels and fast growth observed. Reef Discussion. The tank is 65 gal reef tank. For detailed Vodka dosing instructions, I would refer you to the below link. One of the most versatile weapons in your saltwater aquarium arsenal is vinegar. These process further reduce nitrate beyond their ordinary needs for nitrogen. This too is another form of dosing which is also backed by a lot of long term studies and reported firsthand experience. I used the above schedule to increase it to those levels. The denitrification process described above is another reason why the process may be imbalanced toward more nitrate reduction than phosphate reduction. Sugar is even more potent then that. I followed the chart on: Reefkeeping Magazine - Vinegar Dosing Methodology for the Marine Aquarium Though I can't say this is the best way to gauge how much vinegar to add, or when to stop, I mainly looked at my skimmer. The ratio is about 8 times more carbon in 80 proof (40% by weight) vodka than vinegar (which is usually 5% organic by weight). Now that I have nitrate where I want it, my maintenance does is only 15ml a day for the 100g volume I have. Vinegar dosing and cyano. Reef Forums. It has started to seperate and become flowy. Started dosing vinegar 4 days ago, up to 4ml, adding .5ml every other day until I reach 10ml, then a holding pattern until the new upflow filtre seeds and starts doing its thing, stay tuned for more crazyness from us, lol. Thanks Zack. The added vinegar is encouraging bacterial growth. Increasing bacterial populations in tank water can rob oxygen from the tank water, so dosing the vinegar during daylight hours when oxygen is at its highest is best. Recommended vodka dosage is 0.1ml per 10g and vinegar is 8x that so 0.8ml. If this is not available where you live, use 98% food grade glacial acetate and dilute it down to 5%. Carbon dosing has been very effective at getting it where I want. The table below can be found in a more printer friendly version here. If you feel your reef is not growing then you will need to buy various tests until you find what parameters are … Oxygen might be depleting shortly after adding it, and there may be other effects. In my experience, I started with using 15mL vinegar per 100 gallons of water volume and had no problems. For a conservative method one may use the same guidelines for dosing ethanol in the article below, except use 8 (eight) times as much vinegar as ethanol for the 40% ethanol directions: By Nathaniel A. Walton (Genetics) and Matt Bjornson (Stony_Corals), http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2008-08/nftt/index.php. Running GAC will help reduce the dissolved organics and toxins produced by bacteria. What is the theory for nitrate & phosphate reduction using vinegar? Bacterial growth and reproduction in a reef aquarium seem to be limited by the amount of available carbon. Sent from my GT-N7105 using Tapatalk Follow all labeled precautions when using glacial acetate since it can be hazardous. Vinegar does have a reducing effect on tank pH for shorter periods of time. Tank Journal Archive ... Vinegar dosing going along swimmingly, bumped it up to 11ml as the nitrates stopped dropping and held at 5 so we'll add a little bit at a time. I got the cyano under control doing 5 gal water changes every week for two months. However, many hobbyists just use the Vodka dosing instructions for Vinegar dosing with great success by multipling the vodka dosing amount by 8. Fortunately, when limewater is used in a reef aquarium, it quickly combines with atmospheric and dissolved carbon dioxide and bicarbonate to form bicarbonate and carbonate: 4. Let it add the vinegar a few ml at a time throughout the day. When dripping vinegar it is best to not dilute it too much or store the diluted vinegar too long since diluted vinegar can be broken down by bacteria in the dispensing vessel reducing the amount of carbon dosed. I have estimated my water volume to be about 90g and have rounded up to 100g. All-In-One Tanks Pico Reef Discussion Large Reef Discussion Marketplace Sponsor Forums Miscellaneous More . Aug 25, 2015 #1 Vinegar Dosing. These bacteria may be wholly invisible to you when they grow hidden on rocks in refugia or on GAC, but they may also show up as blooms in the water colun or as a visible mat in the aquarium. I think when I dosed 2 yrs ago, my NO3 wasn't as bad as my test kit was reading (have since switched to Salifert kit) and started with too much dosage which lowered NO3 rapidly causing loss of birds nest w no algae on glass for some time. Tank Journal Archive ReeferRob Solidarité ... Bel Air. Reefkeeping Magazine™ Reef Central, LLC - Copyright © 2002 - 2015 - All rights reserved. Sep 18, 2017 #1 Dosing Vinegar. Discover (and save!) Pick a spot as far away from the return pump as possible. The acetate in vinegar can be taken up by many higher organisms, including the zoox in corals and anemones. In previous articles, we have talked about the plus sides to dosing carbon sources like vodka and vinegar in our reef tanks, but is there a more elusive and dangerous down side we need to look out for? Dosing vinegar is similar to dosing ethanol except that vodka has more carbon in it than vinegar. The bacteria may also be a good food source for many organisms, including sponges, effectively taking nitrate from the water and incorporating it into the large organisms in the aquarium. Bacteria will produce toxins and release them into the water column as well. I have not seen many posts that claim vinegar helped with color changes. Let me share some of the benefits of vodka dosing in a reef aquarium … Proper vinegar dosing will decrease nitrate levels by increasing bacterial populations, which are then skimmed out removing the nitrate within their cells. Advertise today. 94062 (San Francisco Bay Area). It wasn't too bad, it was about 7-10ppm. I'm looking to possibly carbon dose but had bad experience 2 yrs ago when I tried vinegar. Many folks may need to ultimately use an additional phosphate export method, such as GFO, even if the levels start out balanced because organic carbon addition can be imbalanced to more nitrate reduction for the reasons stated above. So I have not yet started dosing vinegar. That all seems fine and I don’t see a reason for a problem. DIY All-For-Reef Recipe from Tropic Marin! When vinegar is dosed in smaller amounts it is possible to add it in one or two doses per day manually. Vinegar promotes such processes in bacterial biofilms (masses) and other low oxygen areas. It is mostly softies and LPS. Yeah, 7-10 is pretty good level. Vinegar Dosing. JavaScript is disabled. I don’t think I’ll be getting a doser any time soon for this, need to save my outlets. I increased weekly by 15mL vinegar per 100 gallons up to 45mL per 100 gallons. The ratio bacteria utilize for ordinary growth, and the ratio that likely comes in with many foods is very roughly around 16 parts of nitrate per 1 part of phosphate, which is based on the percentage of nitrogen and phosphorus present in the basic biochemicals that make up all living cells. Before dosing, my NO3 is around 40ppm, did not test PO4. If you have another dosing pump,the rate can easily be amended and the dose changed. Let me first start with the different types of carbon typically used in reef aquaria. Start low dose and slowly ramp up sure no problem. by Justin Hester. PHA is an ingredient in some biopellets. Therefore a good skimmer will help remove more of the free floating bacteria into the aquarium. So cyanobacteria can utilize some if not all of the biopellets. Hey all first time nano have had other FOWLER and reef tanks usually on the larger side of life. potatocouch Member. These bacteria can use nitrate as a source of “oxygen” to metabolize the added organic, producing N2 gas. Watch for bacterial blooms in the tank water. I dosed a similar schedule but much more. You are using an out of date browser. Bio pellet nitrate reactor - slime build up. This was my experience as well. I’ll try and mix the vinegar a little better in the water when I dose and see what I can do. It contains a vinegar dosing schedule. I could use @Randy Holmes-Farley insight on this as I’ve followed his system for carbon dosing. Vinegar,vodka dosing very quite proven already , no need scare. As the tank matured, I didn't need the carbon dose as much. Methods of Dosing Vinegar: Adding vinegar to kalk water will still have a high pH increasing effect on tank water. If bacterial growth on glass becomes a problem, reduce the amount of vinegar you dose. When and how you dose may also impact where they grow. Question about vinegar dosing and nitrates not going down, Do I need to dose a carbon source to have a successful reef tank. I know I said I would, but something weird is happening. Vinegar dosing like other carbon source dosing will reduce phosphate, however it is a very slow process compared to nitrate reduction. Just would like to share my bad experience with vinegar dosing with my SPS tank. I’ve been carbon dosing via vinegar to my 90g volume tank for the last month slowly working up to 30ml per day. Proper vinegar dosing will decrease nitrate levels by increasing bacterial populations, which are then skimmed out removing the nitrate within their cells. Man I wonder what my ph does when I pour 3/4 of a glass of vinegar in my 100 gallon in a few dumps throughout a few hours of the day! I used an oil pencil and made measured marks on my skimmer cup. The added organic matter can also be used by bacteria growing in low oxygen regions. The bacterial growth appears whitish compared to green algal growth. I recall from one of your posts about maintaining NO3-PO4 ratio of 4-5x which I'm interested in emulating, so what NO3 & PO4 levels are you striving to maintain with the carbon dosing? The Reef. Vinegar does have a reducing effect on tank pH for shorter periods of time. Adding vinegar to kalk water will still have a high pH increasing effect on tank water. I dosed NoPox in the past and great result. I house eight fish in my 75 gallon tank and feed Second week - decided to up the dosage to 4ppm daily, all SPS seemed to do fine. In my experience, I find bacterial growth replaces algal growth on the tank glass. I did this in my 90 for almost two years to ward off some of the "uglies" when it was new and to promote a little diversity. Perhaps dosing higher vinegar amounts if necessary will work as well. Once nitrate and phosphate are reduced to an undetectable reading (zero) using hobby grade tests kits, I find that watching the green algae growth on tank glass is a good indicator as to when you have reached a desirable level. Potential down side to dosing vodka,vinegar and amino acids in a reef tank? For a 400L tank, based on NoPox instructions and Vinegar dosing table, the ratio would be: 12ml of NoPox equals to 66ml of Vinegar. According to Randy Holmes Vodka seems to cause more cyano issues when dosing compared to vinegar. Contact us today to start your advertisement! You have vodka, vinegar, sugar, vitamin C, nopox, and bio pellets. Randy has noticed an increase in bacterial growth on his GAC between changes. Therefore, I would go something like 6ml NoPox + 33ml Vinegar for a few days and gradually replace it with Vinegar, at this ration, while monitoring Nitrate. If u don't mind me asking, what was ur NO3 level when u started dosing vinegar? your own Pins on Pinterest Reef Tank Discussion. You will need to watch the pH decreasing effect to make sure it is acceptable. Hobbyists who have dosed vinegar have reported less cyanobacterial problems compared to dosing biopellets & ethanol. For example if you add 3 teaspoons of kalk to 1 gallon of RODI water and also add 45mL of vinegar, it will increase your alkalinity and calcium output by around 1/3 - 1/2 more. Want to grow your business and reach a wider audience? 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